Category Archives: Jesus

Theology of Grace and OSAS

by Mandi

I’ve had a change of mind on a particular “doctrine” issue in the past few weeks. I’ve always believed in the Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) doctrine. I was taught, and Scriptures seemed to agree, that once you give your life to Christ, it’s His forever. When you receive the gift of eternal life, you have it forever, regardless. It’s a little more complicated than that of course, because that didn’t mean that salvation gave a license to sin whenever. But I’ve recently realized that view is inaccurate.

It’s always annoying to find that something you’ve believed and taught for years is wrong, isn’t it?

I still won’t say that you can “lose” your salvation. But I do think you can give it back or throw it away.

This all came about from a discussion that happened in my small group a week ago, and we’ve all continued to discuss it trying to find answers. My original response to the discussion can be found here.

As the discussion progressed, I delved deeper into Scripture and what it means. Ultimately, the point that I was trying to make was that what matters is what’s in your heart. God’s pretty clear that we aren’t saved based on what we do, and it doesn’t make sense that retaining that salvation would be if the very act of salvation wasn’t.

In all of my reading on the topic, I found these verses:

Hebrews 6:1-6:

Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

I’m not sure how I missed these verses for all of these years. Falling away and then trying to repent again is as if you’re trying to crucify Christ again. Brings new meaning to these verses in Matthew:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’  shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.  Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

Makes you think, doesn’t it? Is it possible for someone who believes in OSAS to be saved, fall away, and then come back to God thinking that they are saved and right with God even though they aren’t?

I have to say, I don’t think so. I think there’s a big difference between the person who falls back into sin, knowing it’s wrong and feeling guilty about it, and the person who completely turns away from God and declares that there is no God.

If God’s looking at the heart (which is what I believe He does), then the first person will not have truly fallen away the way the second person did.

Or maybe I’m just wishful thinking.

Either way, a significant shift has occured in my own way of thinking.

Trackposted to Dumb Ox News, Renaissance Blogger, third world county, and Conservative Cat, thanks to Linkfest Haven Deluxe.


Revolutionaries

by Mandi

AlterNet has a great article about the “new” movement of progressive evangelicals or “revolutionaries.”

In addition to the quote in the previous post, here are some gems:

[Jim] Wallis agrees. “The religious right is being replaced by Jesus,” he says. “They’re just really digging into Jesus, and what they read in [the Book of] Acts doesn’t correspond to their churches. And so they’re changing them or going out and creating new communities.”

The Revolutionaries’ faith in the Bible leads them to a gospel of social justice, but it also leads to a morality that is far out of step with mainstream American culture and the left. Sex outside of marriage, divorce, “lust,” “sexual immorality” and homosexuality are all things Jesus or other New Testament voices spoke about with varying degrees of intensity.

According to Wallis, the Revolutionaries are “breaking away from the Right in droves — but they will never be captured by the left. They’re going to challenge the left on a lot of things: For these Christians, sex is covenantal and not recreational. And they oppose abortion and they are not going to move away from that.”

Never in history have we had a Christian theocracy where it wasn’t bloody and barbaric. That’s why our Constitution wisely put in a separation of church and state. … I am sorry to tell you, that America is not the light of the world and the hope of the world. The light of the world and the hope of the world is Jesus Christ.

He also spoke out against the exclusive focus on abortion and gay marriage by many evangelical leaders. “Those are the two buttons to push if you want to get Christians to act,” he said. “And those are the two buttons Jesus never pushed.”

Yet the Revolution is not primarily a reaction to Republican attempts to politicize the church. What sets it apart from mainstream evangelicalism is not a liberal rejection of Republican politics, but rather a more radical rejection of conservatism and liberalism, and anything else that is not the “kingdom of God.”

To the Revolutionaries, what seems righteous or commonsensical to humans does not matter; all that matters is what God wants. Boyd writes in Myth of a Christian Nation: “To the extent that an individual or group looks like Jesus — dying for those who crucified him and praying for their forgiveness in the process — to that degree they can be said to manifest the kingdom of God. To the degree that they do not look like this, they do not manifest God’s kingdom.”

God, give us a vision for a new kind of world. We grieve, we honor, we condemn. But we want to move through that. We want to have asked the hard, hard questions. But we want to move though that too. And we want to be people of a dream, which we believe is your dream for the world. But then, God, we want to move past that. We want to move to action. … God, what would this look like? Show us millions of different ways to bless — to bless in such a way that it would literally shake the foundation of the Earth and capture us with this kind of dream. … Please, God, open our eyes.

Amen!


Right on!

by Mandi

“No matter how you pick and choose your favorite Bible passages, if you know that Jesus died on the cross for you, that’s going to affect the way you treat other people. If you’re a Bible-believing Christian, maybe you choose to emphasize evangelism or maybe you emphasize works, but you can’t ignore Jesus’ example of unconditional love on the cross.”

~Heather Zydek


Taking Time to Change – Unit 2 Day 5

by Mandi

1. Two significant statements.

a. The toxicity of this heart is so potent that when God wants to judge a man, all He has to do is turn that man over to his own heart.

I don’t like this. Doesn’t mean it isn’t true though. My heart is so sinful, that if left to my own devices, I would eventually destroy myself. That’s a tough pill to swallow.

b. A refusal to acknowledge our authority’s right to rule is a rejection of God’s ways and an evidence that our corrupt nature is ruling our lives at the moment.

God instituted authority for a reason. Not accepting that is rejecting God’s way.

2. The Bible teaches that the flesh deceives man–that is, it conceals truth. Page 40 lists eight truths from God that Satan wishes to conceal from man. Write out the ones that are most “concealed” from you in your day to day activities.

He has promised His grace for every trial and challenge of life.
He loves me and skillfully orders my ways for my ultimate good and His ultimate glory.

Other truths that I don’t think I struggle with:

  • God exists and He made me.
  • My sin is against Him, and He will hold me accountable for it unless I turn to Him for salvation.
  • The way of the transgressor is hard.
  • There is only one way of salvation, not many.
  • Without Him I can do nothing.
  • His Word is the only trustworthy account of reality.

3. Because our heart is so destructive, instead of demanding our own way, what should we be begging God to do?

Never to let us have our own way.

4. The text says that once Adam and Eve fell, God immediately reinforced His structure of authority. Why did God set up the accountability of the home, civil authority, and the church?

To restrain our nature of going our own way. If it isn’t restrained, it will destroy itself and everything around it.

5. Explain this statement from page 44: The same pride in a man that demands the right to make its own decisions will pollute every decision that man makes.

Because that pride causes you to make decisions that aren’t wise.

Memory Verse: Proverbs 14:12

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.


Taking Time to Change – Unit 2 Day 4

by Mandi

1. Two significant statments.

a. The natural man is a sinner because and only because he challenges God’s selfhood in relation to his own. In all else he may willingly accept the sovereignty of God; in his own life he rejects it.

Time and time again I find the truth of this statement. I constantly want God to be right and in control of everything but me.

b. Total depravity does not mean than an individual man is as wicked as is possible but that his fundamental crookedness has penetrated his total being.

2. If you do not seem to be experiencing the warfare of your flesh against God, what two possible reasons are discussed for that lack of struggle?

Going along with it and not feeling its pull OR it is craftily deceiving you by its silence

3. Charles Williams gave several “modern ideas about sin” that, of course, do not fit the biblical view of man. What are some other modern views of man that are used to explain his nature?

Economic disadvantage, immaturity, normal part of life, physical disease, mental problems, figment of imagination

4. What does the term “total depravity” mean?

See above.

5. If, as the Bible says, you are totally depraved and, therefore, every faculty of your understanding, will, affections, and conscience has been corrupted, what kinds of cautions should you take when making decisions and when relating to other people?

Definitely pray. Seek God first. Seek the wise thing to do.

6. Since man is totally depraved, what is wrong with the modern idea that man’s solutions are going to come from “looking within”?

You can’t look to the problem to find the solution.


Taking Time to Change – Unit 2 Day 3

by Mandi

1. Two significant statements.

a. Paul, in this passage, is describing the heart of unbelievers, but this is also a portrait of every believer’s sinful tendency–a tendency that is not exterminated at salvation.

This is huge. Especially this week. Too many people think that Christians are supposed to be perfect. Even some Christians think this! But that’s not true. When you become a Christian, you have the power to overcome your sinful nature, but it isn’t a magical POOF! and it’s gone.

b. Our biggest problem is a heart that wants its own way in opposition to God’s way.

Remember the BK commercial, “Have it your way”? We’re programmed to think that our way is always the best way, but it’s usually in direct opposition to God’s way.

2. What tendencies of your own heart do you find described in Romans 3:10-18? If none are readily apparant to you, look up the explanations of some of the phrases in a good study Bible or commentary.

Tongues practice deceit and mouths full of bitterness.

3. Complete the quote of Dr. Bob Jones, Sr. from page 34: “The Devil did not tempt Adam and Eve to steal, to lie, to kill, to commit adultery; he tempted them to live independently from God.

4. Complete the quote of C.S. Lewis from page 34: “Fallen man is not simply an imperfect creature who needs improvement: he is a rebel who must lay down his arms.”


Taking Time to Change – Unit 2 Day 2

by Mandi

1. Two significant statements.

a. Any sin that any sinner ever committed, every sinner under proper provocation could commit.

That’s a tough one. It’s hard to believe that we all have the ability (not necessarily the desire) to commit heinous things. But we do. It’s innate in us.

b. When we begin to see the human heart as God has been seeing it all along, we are stunned that He would want to redeem the likes of us.

It’s true. When I look at my own heart and see how rebellious it is–how it wants to do its own thing and not follow anyone but itself–then I do have to wonder why on earth God would want to redeem someone like me.

2. What are some excuses parents give for teenage rebellion when they do not have a biblical view of the human heart?

hormones, low self-esteem, immaturity

3. What is “accountability,” and what does God intend to accomplish through it?

The constant watchfulness and enforcement behind every effective discipleship effort. God uses it to stimulate change and keep a person from destroying himself and others while he learns to walk in the Spirit.

4. What do you know about a man’s view of the human heart when he says, “I can’t believe God would damn anyone to hell”?

It’s definitely not a biblical view. It’s a view that believes that man is basically “good” and deserves to go to heaven.

5. Why do believers not have an accurate view of the strength of the evil within when they are “rowing downstream with the current” of their heart?

Because when you’re going with the flow you can’t feel the pull of it against you. It’s only when you turn from it and go in the opposite direction that you feel the strength.


Taking Time to Change – Unit 2 Day 1

by Mandi

So I’m 4 days behind on posting these. It’s been a crazy week! I’ll post all 4 days today, but as separate posts so that you don’t have to read an uber long post. :)


1. Two significant statements.

a. To save us completely, Christ must reverse the bent of our nature; He must plant a new principle within us so that subsequent conduct will spring out of a desire to promote the honor of God and the good of our fellow man.

b. One cannot hold a Scriptural view of God and the plan of salvation without having a Scriptural idea of sin.

I love that second one. It’s so true though. Until you really realize what we’ve been saved from, we can’t see God for who He is.

 2. According to the three opening paragraphs of this chapter, what are some of the characteristics of the “indwelling principle of sin” that corrupts every part of us?

dethroning God, make life work apart from God, going your own way

3. Explain why the text warns readers on page 26: Don’t stop reading at the end of this chapter. What might cause a reader to be discouraged after reading this chapter?

It shows how heinous and worthless we are without Christ. It seems hopeless. And most folks don’t want to believe that our nature really is that bad.

4. What did the Puritan writer John Owen mean by this statement on page 27: “Upon this one hinge the whole course of our lives will turn”?

Recognizing the sin and changing based on it will change the course of your life.

5. Why does Paul open his Epistle to the Romans with three chapters on the sinful nature of man before he discusses salvation in chapters 4-5 and before he presents God’s plan for sanctification in chapters 6-8?

You have to get lost before you can get saved. In other words, you have to realize you need a Savior before you’ll accept one.

Memory verse: Proverbs 14:12


What is Grace?

by Mandi

Tonight, the word “grace” became a touchy subject at my small group. Because of differing opinions on certain doctrines, feelings were hurt and faith was shaken. I am deeply troubled and saddened by the events that took place tonight, and I want to use this platform to present a biblical view of grace and salvation.

I’ve posted before on what it means to be a Christian and how to be a Christian, but for the sake of this post I’m going to go over it again.

How do you become a follower of Jesus Christ? That’s probably the simplest question to answer.

“That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:9-13 NIV)

I really like what the Message says here too (emphasis mine):

Say the welcoming word to God—”Jesus is my Master”—embracing, body and soul, God’s work of doing in us what he did in raising Jesus from the dead. That’s it. You’re not “doing” anything; you’re simply calling out to God, trusting him to do it for you. That’s salvation. With your whole being you embrace God setting things right, and then you say it, right out loud: “God has set everything right between him and me!” Scripture reassures us, “No one who trusts God like this—heart and soul—will ever regret it.” It’s exactly the same no matter what a person’s religious background may be: the same God for all of us, acting the same incredibly generous way to everyone who calls out for help. “Everyone who calls, ‘Help, God!’ gets help.”

It’s all about realizing that you’re a sinner and that there’s nothing you can do by your own power to redeem yourself. It’s about calling on Jesus to become Lord of your life and allowing Him to change you from the inside out.

Once you take the initiative to call on Jesus, then a process has started in your life. A process that changes you to become more like Christ in attitudes, ambitions, and actions.

Because that’s what following Christ is all about. It’s about lining up your will with His. As humans, we have the worst sin nature. We are bent to being sinful and depraved. We want to be lord of our own lives. And often, even after making a decision for Christ, we still follow our own path.

Thank God for grace.

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Jesus and Politics

by Mandi

I love this post. Jim looks at how invoking the name of Jesus has shifted over the past few Presidential elections. It’s gone from being something everyone does, to something Republicans do and Dems frown on, to something that, once again, everyone does.

But Jim asks the important questions:

Before claiming that Jesus stands with you and your political agenda, you must examine if you stand with Him and his teachings that won’t be widely well-received. Are you ready to endorse a Jesus who:

  • Elevates the Bible above all human books and traditions?
  • Charges you with telling others that despite their education, experience, and intuition their eternal fate and joy hinges on believing that an ancient Jewish teacher was God in human flesh, born to a virgin, died, was buried, came back to life bodily in 3 days, and ascended into heaven?
  • Speaks frequently on uncouth subjects such as sin and the eternal torment of hell?
  • Warns about the deadliness of loving money, influence, and the praises of men?
  • Declares that on the day of judgment, all who have not acknowledged Him as the only divine Lord and Savior, including your friends and co-laborers in the causes of justice and freedom, will hear Him say, “I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.” ?
  • Commands worship and prayer when the cameras aren’t around?
  • Forbids you to accept invitations from influential pastors to turn the pulpit meant for God’s Word into a stump for you to advance your career?
  • Requires you ignore your advisors and love your political enemies and do good to them?
  • Proclaims that your accomplishments and legacy are diminutive compared to His glory?

The Jesus described above cannot be appealed to as a mere moral teacher or political philosopher. Until candidates can look at Him without flinching or equivocating, it’s better that they pass on invoking His holy name. God is not pleased with nominal leaders playing to a nominal nation.


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