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I am a woman; I do not fear rape

by Mandi

I’ve tried really hard to stay out of the whole “Elevatorgate” issue. The rhetoric coming from both sides has far exceeded what is either rational or relevant. But after reading a few of the new posts from the weekend, I just can’t keep my mouth shut anymore.

The background:

Rebecca Watson, Skepchick and frequent atheist panel speaker, posted a video update a few weeks ago and in the middle made a comment about an encounter she had in an elevator.

You were all fantastic and I loved talking to all of you guys. All of you except for the one man who didn’t really grasp, I think, what I was saying on that panel because, um, at the bar, later that night – actually at 4 in the morning – we were at the hotel bar, 4 am, I said you know, I’ve had enough guys, I’m exhausted – going to bed. Uh, so I walked to the elevator and a man got on the elevator with me and said, “Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting and I would like to talk more. Would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?”

Um, just a word to the wise here guys, uh, don’t do that. Um, you know, uh I don’t really know how else to explain how this makes me incredibly uncomfortable, but I’ll just sort of lay it out that as a single woman you know… in a foreign country… at 4am…in a hotel…elevator…with you. Just you. And… don’t invite me back to your hotel room right after I’ve finished talking about how it creeps me out and makes me uncomfortable when men sexualize me in that manner.

That’s the entirety of the comment that started this entire maelstrom of craziness that has infected the interwebs for the past week.

Not long after that, Stef McGraw criticized Rebecca for overreacting:

It’s possible the man actually just wanted to talk and do nothing more, but I’ll even give that point to her; I obviously wasn’t there, and don’t know what sort of vibes he was giving off. Fair enough. My concern is that she takes issue with a man showing interest in her. What’s wrong with that? How on earth does that justify him as creepy? Are we not sexual beings? Let’s review, it’s not as if he touched her or made an unsolicited sexual comment; he merely asked if she’d like to come back to his room. She easily could have said (and I’m assuming did say), “No thanks, I’m tired and would like to go to my room to sleep.”

Watson is upset that this man is sexualizing her just after she gave a talk relating to feminism, but my question is this: Since when are respecting women as equals and showing sexual interest mutually exclusive? Is it not possible to view to take interest in a woman AND see her as an intelligent person?

A response I find to be perfectly reasonable and rational. But somehow, this is where the shit hits the fan. Rebecca takes offense to this criticism and, in her keynote address at the CFI Student Leadership Conference, makes an example of Stef and quotes her by name in a slide of her presentation in an effort to “call out the anti-woman rhetoric my audience was engaging in.” All of a sudden the word misogyny is being thrown around and rape and sexual assault are now being discussed.

Wait a minute… what?

Where did rape, sexual assault, and misogyny come from?

Let’s look at the original incident one more time.

I walked to the elevator and a man got on the elevator with me and said, “Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting and I would like to talk more. Would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?”

Oh I see… rape, sexual assault, and misogyny.

No. No, I don’t see it. At all.

There was an article on Salon that skewers Richard Dawkins for the comments he made about the whole hullaballoo:

Clearly, Dawkins has never experienced what it’s like to carry around the fear of sexual assault, as most women do on some level.

I’m sorry, what?

Am I to read this as saying that as a woman, I should carry the fear of sexual assault?

That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

Not to mention one of the most sexist statements I’ve seen.

I wholeheartedly believe that woman and men are equals and should be treated as such. Women are strong and independent and fully capable of making their own decisions, despite the fairly patriarchal society we live in. Some would say that this makes me a feminist.

But in reading all of the responses that have turned a simple flirtation into a thwarted rape attempt, I have learned that feminism is about overcoming female oppression in such a manner that all men are subsequently demonized.

I want no part of this.

Rebecca had every right to feel creeped out by a stranger asking her to his hotel room at 4am, but that is where this should have stopped. There was nothing misogynistic about the incident. There was no threat of sexual assault. And by turning this into a discourse about those things, we have done both men and women a real disservice.

This world may have creepy criminals in it. But not every man who speaks to a woman is hoping to commit a crime.

And women, you should be smart enough to know that.


Keep the Change

by Mandi

Anyone who knows me knows that I’m a big fan of country music. Quite frankly, it’s in my blood. I can’t not love it. But I’ve been getting frustrated by the rise in political messages found in the music. It started with 9/11 (Stars and Stripes by Aaron Tippin, Red, White, and Blue by Toby Keith, and Have You Forgotten? by Darryl Worley, just to name a few), and it seems to have continued with Darryl Worley’s new song that is a direct message against our President.

The song is called Keep the Change and would be clever, had that phrase not already been worn out since Obama first began campaigning.

Let me be clear on one thing before I take a look at the lyrics. I don’t fault him for using his voice to say what he wants. We all have the right to say and think what we want to – even when it’s inappropriate. My purpose here is to show how arrogantly ignorant the lyrics are – not to say the song shouldn’t have been recorded or played on the radio (funny thing though, I haven’t heard it on the mainstream country station here in the Triangle – I heard it on the very conservative small town station from a few towns away).

If you see me hold my hand over my heart
Before I start the pledge of allegiance
There’s a reason
It’s to honor those who died

I can’t really say anything negative about this part. It’s a great way to catch your attention for the song though – declaring how patriotic you are.

And if you see me close my eyes and bow my head
Before I break bread with my family
It ain’t a habit, it’s important
It’s my right

Yes. It is your right to do so. Just like it’s my right not to do so. For some reason, you never see the good God fearin’ man standing up for my right not to believe in God.

I work half the year for me
The other half for Uncle Sam
While he’s bailin’ out those sinkin’ ships
And drownin’ the little man

I watch the news and have to wonder
If this country’s goin’ crazy
Talkin’ ’bout how much they love it here
But how they want to rearrange it

Okay, I get it. You’re questioning why we want to change something we claim to love so much. But, maybe that’s why? Progress is inevitable. Change is inevitable. And those who are seeking change are trying to make things better. It doesn’t always work out like that, but there are definitely a lot of things about this country that *do* need changing.

I’m just your average Joe
And that makes me smart enough to know
There’s a bunch of us out here
That feel the same

Wanna keep our God, our freedom
A little money in the bank
Y’all can keep the change

No one is trying to take anything away from anyone. Ever. That’s the exact opposite of what the majority of people want. Okay let me rephrase – no one this song is directed at is trying to take anything away from anyone.

We want you to be able to keep your God. Just like we want you to leave us be and not force your God into our living rooms. The point of keeping church and state separate? It’s so that you can live and worship your way and I can live and not worship mine.

It’s that simple.

Now the fat cats on the hill acting so brilliant
Ain’t smart enough to notice
That we’re angry
And that America’s in trouble

If they don’t wise up and stop
Bustin’ out the blocks that were laid
As a foundation well our nation
Could wake up in a pile of rubble

I can only assume that he’s referring to the belief that this country is a Christian nation founded on the principles of the Bible. See above.

They say we’re making progress
But it’s a big old shame to me
Common sense ain’t near as common
As it used to be

Finally! He said something I agree with 100%!

The rest of the song is mostly repeating the chorus and other lyrics. To what end? Clearly his message is anti-Obama and anti anything that doesn’t involve faith.

I really wish that people would stop being so defensive long enough to see things objectively and realize that just because someone doesn’t believe in the same things it doesn’t mean that they want to oppress or subdue you and yours.


Bedtime Story…

by Mandi

I’m not really sure what to think about this. On the one hand, it’s creative. And true. On the other, part of me wants to get offended because of where I come from. But logically, there’s nothing for me to be offended over. I even laughed during some portions.

But really? That baby is just too cute.

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Art and Atheists

by Mandi

Today I stepped out of my comfort zone and went to the NC Art Museum to meet up with some folks I’d never met before. And I went by myself. This is huge! For me, anyways. :)

I read The Friendly Atheist, and last week he mentioned a local meetup group of atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, and humanists so I thought I’d check it out. It turned out they had a meetup set for today at the NC Art Museum, and since I’d been wanting to go there anyways, I thought it would be a good idea.

I’m really glad I went. I met some really nice folks and we all had lunch afterwards at Bear Rock Cafe. The museum was fun, and I’d love to go back with someone who appreciates art a little more. Not that these guys don’t, but we spent more time talking and making jokes about the art than really admiring it.

All in all, it was a good day, and I look forward to hanging out with them again.


Christianity on Joy Behar’s Show

by Mandi

This is interesting to me. I look forward to seeing Collision.


His Letter to Grandma

by Mandi

I’ve been reading the blog Unreasonable Faith for quite some time now. Today he highlighted a man named Josh and his response to the 33 page letter his Grandma sent him.

Josh Sullivan received a “33-page handwritten letter lamenting my unbelief, urging me to reconsider, and ultimately appealing to a fear of hell for the decisions I make about what I choose to not believe in.” So he did what most intelligent young men would do — he wrote her back and explained why he thought the way he did.The letter he wrote back is excellent, and I highly recommend you read it. You can also read some of his grandmother’s original letter. He posted both on reddit which has received almost 500 comments.

Josh’s letter is thought out, thoughtful, and accomplishes what he set out to do. The only drawback is the footnotes. They are cumbersome and lengthy, but I do see why he kept them out of the body of the letter.

As I was reading, my initial reaction was he wrote this to his Grandma?!?! (I was, of course, picturing my own grandmothers.) Then it was revealed that she has a Masters in Biology, so I’m sure that, while my own uneducated grandparents would have trouble with the contents of the letter, his grandma probably did just fine.

All in all, he presents a case that is very similar to my own thought process in de-converting, although his was deliberate and mine just happened over time.  I certainly wasn’t looking to leave that part of life behind me!


There’s a lot of junk

by Mandi

One of the reasons I put together the page Face the Strange, detailing my spiritual journey, was for the benefit of one person who came to the game late. He hadn’t been around for the past two years, watching me rise and fall and rise again. He had questions, and he didn’t want to really speak to the issue he saw at hand until he had a deeper understanding of what I’ve gone through.

This morning I woke up to three emails from him. One long one, that was fairly harsh and completely and brutally honest and from his heart, and two shorter ones that followed up with a few nicer, toned down words that were almost apologetic in nature.

I responded immediately, telling him it would take some time for me to process his accusatory tones and blanket assumptions. He replied once more, apologizing for his tone, but not for his message.

After reading and re-reading and re-reading again, I finally think I can respond. At first I was hurt. But the deeper I reflected and the more I read, the more I realized that some of what he says is true. Some isn’t, but some definitely is. (Note: You won’t see his entire email here, I only reference his pertinent points as this is already a very long post).

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It’s Just…Life

by Mandi

So I’ve been thinking recently. Should I start chronicling my new thoughts and this new path I’m on? Should this blog become more of a skeptic’s blog?

No.

You know why? Because my life’s focus now is… LIFE! Sure I have thoughts about things that are a lot different than they used to be, but I’m not trying to convince anybody else to think like me.

For more than 2 years I used this blog as my platform. To be heard. To try and make people think…like me. I don’t want to do that anymore. I may be an atheistic agnostic now (how’d ya like THAT one?), but my focus is not on that label at all. I don’t want to debunk Christianity. I want to live my life. I want to be me.

Now that doesn’t mean I’m not going to post stuff that I find interesting or things that I agree with or disagree with. I still will. But I’m not going to go all gung-ho and turn this into a pro-atheism or pro-skeptic blog.

It’s pro-Mandi, and that’s all!


de-converted?

by Mandi

Well I guess you could say I’ve de-converted. I’m not a Christian anymore. But I’m also not an atheist.

I guess that leaves me with the agnostic label?

I absolutely do not believe in the Christian god anymore. But I can’t say without a shadow of a doubt that there’s nothing out there. I still believe in the supernatural somehow. It may just be that I’ve always been fascinated by it, so I want to believe in it. Ghosts, demon possession, etc.

Crazy, right?

The girl who doesn’t believe in god believes in demon possession?

I do realize how ridiculous that sounds.

But I’m okay with that. I don’t want to fit into a box. I don’t want to have a label. Other than the Mandi Kaye label, of course.


Star Trek, The Golden Compass, and Blasphemy

by Mandi

Pretty much, yeah.


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