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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2008/01/24/stone-them/comment-page-1/#comment-3850</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But I don’t like Maher’s point that Christians are full of “arrogance masquerading as humility.” Can we know the word of God? Absolutely. Do we have the word of God? You betcha. Do we have access to God? Of course we do. You don’t have to believe that if you don’t want to, but don’t tell me I’m arrogant because I have a close relationship with my Savior.&lt;/i&gt;

You may not be arrogant, but Christianity in general definitely comes off that way.  Why?  Because it claims to know the definitive answer as to what is right. It comes off as, &quot;We love you, and we&#039;re humble, but we know we&#039;ve got it right here, and we know what&#039;s best for you, so really you should join our group.&quot;

Cuz see, that&#039;s the thing, true humility is being able to be completely insecure and uncertain, but to feel confident in it.  But most Christians can&#039;t stand the thought of insecurity.  It&#039;s like they think if they admit to just one tiny whole in the boat, the whole thing is going to sink.  

But wouldn&#039;t real trust and humility just let it sink if it&#039;s going to?  Wouldn&#039;t real faith just trust that God will be there to keep us all afloat if the boat should sink?  It might even be preferable.  If Christianity should sink...it might land us in the hands of God Himself.  Who knows.  But we can&#039;t trust Him enough to let things happen, instead we have to stay strong, stay certain, and fortify our castles with whatever we can find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But I don’t like Maher’s point that Christians are full of “arrogance masquerading as humility.” Can we know the word of God? Absolutely. Do we have the word of God? You betcha. Do we have access to God? Of course we do. You don’t have to believe that if you don’t want to, but don’t tell me I’m arrogant because I have a close relationship with my Savior.</i></p>
<p>You may not be arrogant, but Christianity in general definitely comes off that way.  Why?  Because it claims to know the definitive answer as to what is right. It comes off as, &#8220;We love you, and we&#8217;re humble, but we know we&#8217;ve got it right here, and we know what&#8217;s best for you, so really you should join our group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cuz see, that&#8217;s the thing, true humility is being able to be completely insecure and uncertain, but to feel confident in it.  But most Christians can&#8217;t stand the thought of insecurity.  It&#8217;s like they think if they admit to just one tiny whole in the boat, the whole thing is going to sink.  </p>
<p>But wouldn&#8217;t real trust and humility just let it sink if it&#8217;s going to?  Wouldn&#8217;t real faith just trust that God will be there to keep us all afloat if the boat should sink?  It might even be preferable.  If Christianity should sink&#8230;it might land us in the hands of God Himself.  Who knows.  But we can&#8217;t trust Him enough to let things happen, instead we have to stay strong, stay certain, and fortify our castles with whatever we can find.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2008/01/24/stone-them/comment-page-1/#comment-3847</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can we know the word of God? Absolutely. Do we have the word of God? You betcha. Do we have access to God? Of course we do.&quot;

How on earth did we get so screwed up?
The state of the Church (big &quot;C&quot;) in America is disturbing, to say the least.  There is a lot of arrogance that seems to be tied to nationalism and western culture.  Some one I went to Bible College with posted his life&#039;s motto: &quot;God, guns and guts made America free.&quot;  And I think he believes that that is what being a Christian is. 

Seriously, most so-called Christians aren&#039;t, are they?  When they are nothing like Jesus Christ, when their motivation is as far from His as possible - are they?

I&#039;d totally throw in the towel on the Church, aka &quot;the Bride&quot; (what a Bridezilla she has become) if it weren&#039;t for the fact that I am a friend of the Bridegroom, but omygosh- may I be delivered from arrogance in that in any way.  

Geez, being a Christian can be embarrassing!! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can we know the word of God? Absolutely. Do we have the word of God? You betcha. Do we have access to God? Of course we do.&#8221;</p>
<p>How on earth did we get so screwed up?<br />
The state of the Church (big &#8220;C&#8221;) in America is disturbing, to say the least.  There is a lot of arrogance that seems to be tied to nationalism and western culture.  Some one I went to Bible College with posted his life&#8217;s motto: &#8220;God, guns and guts made America free.&#8221;  And I think he believes that that is what being a Christian is. </p>
<p>Seriously, most so-called Christians aren&#8217;t, are they?  When they are nothing like Jesus Christ, when their motivation is as far from His as possible &#8211; are they?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d totally throw in the towel on the Church, aka &#8220;the Bride&#8221; (what a Bridezilla she has become) if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that I am a friend of the Bridegroom, but omygosh- may I be delivered from arrogance in that in any way.  </p>
<p>Geez, being a Christian can be embarrassing!! <img src='http://www.mandikaye.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lifewish</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2008/01/24/stone-them/comment-page-1/#comment-3846</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifewish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For you, maybe. But there are millions of people out there who have seen “proof” enough to put their faith in God. And His word. Just because it doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work for others.&lt;/i&gt;

Gah, my eyes... If there was definitive proof of God then &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;by definition&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; that proof would hold for everyone. A &quot;proof&quot; that only works for some people is a contradiction in terms and/or a horrible abuse of language.

Over the years I&#039;ve come across many reasons why people put their faith in God. Almost none of these have any connection with the concept of &quot;proof&quot;. Very few have any connection with the concept of &quot;empirical evidence&quot;. As far as I can tell, these concepts are at best orthogonal to religious belief.

For example, you yourself commented that you believe in God because He just seems completely real to you. Your belief has nothing to do with proof.

Please don&#039;t tease the maths geek like this :-S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For you, maybe. But there are millions of people out there who have seen “proof” enough to put their faith in God. And His word. Just because it doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work for others.</i></p>
<p>Gah, my eyes&#8230; If there was definitive proof of God then <i><b>by definition</b></i> that proof would hold for everyone. A &#8220;proof&#8221; that only works for some people is a contradiction in terms and/or a horrible abuse of language.</p>
<p>Over the years I&#8217;ve come across many reasons why people put their faith in God. Almost none of these have any connection with the concept of &#8220;proof&#8221;. Very few have any connection with the concept of &#8220;empirical evidence&#8221;. As far as I can tell, these concepts are at best orthogonal to religious belief.</p>
<p>For example, you yourself commented that you believe in God because He just seems completely real to you. Your belief has nothing to do with proof.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t tease the maths geek like this :-S</p>
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		<title>By: Musicguy</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2008/01/24/stone-them/comment-page-1/#comment-3844</link>
		<dc:creator>Musicguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with your statement about Maher having an anti-religious agenda.  I think his agenda is more along the lines of &quot;Leave me the hell alone, I don&#039;t believe a word you say, so stop forcing it down my throat because I couldn&#039;t care less about your ancient desert text religion&quot; agenda.  More succinctly put, &quot;Leave me be.&quot;  Trust me, I understand that sentiment!

I also enjoyed the comment that one man with 31 wives would be better than two married men. Scary people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with your statement about Maher having an anti-religious agenda.  I think his agenda is more along the lines of &#8220;Leave me the hell alone, I don&#8217;t believe a word you say, so stop forcing it down my throat because I couldn&#8217;t care less about your ancient desert text religion&#8221; agenda.  More succinctly put, &#8220;Leave me be.&#8221;  Trust me, I understand that sentiment!</p>
<p>I also enjoyed the comment that one man with 31 wives would be better than two married men. Scary people.</p>
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