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		<title>By: JILost</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-11228</link>
		<dc:creator>JILost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let me join the masses and say this was an incredibly courageous, emotional, and moving post.  Second, let me say that NOTHING you have said in any of your previous posts, even today, is worthless.  It&#039;s exactly the way you felt at the time.  It&#039;s coming from love and passion for your God at the time.  To say that your words are now invalid is also to say that your feelings were invalid...and they weren&#039;t.  They aren&#039;t.  Some people simply aren&#039;t meant for that God and His will, and this post is you realizing, or starting to realize, that you&#039;re not meant for it.  It&#039;s you taking steps towards what is true in YOUR heart, and frankly I&#039;m proud to see this post.  It shows a lot of strength and insight.  Nothing in your journey has been worthless -- it&#039;s all built up to who you are now.  Never forget that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me join the masses and say this was an incredibly courageous, emotional, and moving post.  Second, let me say that NOTHING you have said in any of your previous posts, even today, is worthless.  It&#8217;s exactly the way you felt at the time.  It&#8217;s coming from love and passion for your God at the time.  To say that your words are now invalid is also to say that your feelings were invalid&#8230;and they weren&#8217;t.  They aren&#8217;t.  Some people simply aren&#8217;t meant for that God and His will, and this post is you realizing, or starting to realize, that you&#8217;re not meant for it.  It&#8217;s you taking steps towards what is true in YOUR heart, and frankly I&#8217;m proud to see this post.  It shows a lot of strength and insight.  Nothing in your journey has been worthless &#8212; it&#8217;s all built up to who you are now.  Never forget that.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1949</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, sweetheart. I&#039;ll post this here and in our neighborhood.

I will be your friend on the road whether you are briskly walking, pausing to consider other paths, or balking in the middle of it because you want to turn around. This is not a time for fear or angst, as God will be with you, whether you are in love with Him or not. He does have feelings, we know this from His days of leading those stubborn ingrates through the desert, but He isn&#039;t fickle. He will stand by you.

Sometimes, Amanda, people are on such fire for something they believe that they actually burn. Without hiatus or retreat, the body and mind simply cannot keep up. Call them what you want -- crises, rebellions, etc. -- but use them to rest and recharge. You don&#039;t have to take a vacation without God, you can take one with Him. He never forces Himself on us, so He&#039;ll sit quietly while you relax, unwind, and just BE for a bit.

Blessings to you, my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, sweetheart. I&#8217;ll post this here and in our neighborhood.</p>
<p>I will be your friend on the road whether you are briskly walking, pausing to consider other paths, or balking in the middle of it because you want to turn around. This is not a time for fear or angst, as God will be with you, whether you are in love with Him or not. He does have feelings, we know this from His days of leading those stubborn ingrates through the desert, but He isn&#8217;t fickle. He will stand by you.</p>
<p>Sometimes, Amanda, people are on such fire for something they believe that they actually burn. Without hiatus or retreat, the body and mind simply cannot keep up. Call them what you want &#8212; crises, rebellions, etc. &#8212; but use them to rest and recharge. You don&#8217;t have to take a vacation without God, you can take one with Him. He never forces Himself on us, so He&#8217;ll sit quietly while you relax, unwind, and just BE for a bit.</p>
<p>Blessings to you, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifewish</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1946</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifewish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I really did not expect this. Thanks for letting us see what&#039;s going on in your heart.

I almost agree with what Terry says. For me, it feels like I&#039;m seeing you standing on a high ledge, and I&#039;m scared that you&#039;ll be hurt. The difference between me and Terry is: I can see your wings. 

Take this as an opportunity to soar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I really did not expect this. Thanks for letting us see what&#8217;s going on in your heart.</p>
<p>I almost agree with what Terry says. For me, it feels like I&#8217;m seeing you standing on a high ledge, and I&#8217;m scared that you&#8217;ll be hurt. The difference between me and Terry is: I can see your wings. </p>
<p>Take this as an opportunity to soar.</p>
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		<title>By: Revka</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1945</link>
		<dc:creator>Revka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Praying for you.  You know that only until Monday I was in nearly the same predicament.  No matter what, those who truly care about you will still love you.  God bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praying for you.  You know that only until Monday I was in nearly the same predicament.  No matter what, those who truly care about you will still love you.  God bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: JanieBelle</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1942</link>
		<dc:creator>JanieBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Amanda, dear sweet Amanda,

I am selfishly thrilled that your hiatus was short lived.

I&#039;m also ecstatic and amazed that you have such a capacity for honest self-examination.  It&#039;s probably the biggest thing that draws me to your blog.

Do not ever be afraid to ask, to question, to examine, to alter the premise.  We, your friends, are here to support your personal journey to self-knowledge, wherever that may lead.

Kisses to you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Amanda, dear sweet Amanda,</p>
<p>I am selfishly thrilled that your hiatus was short lived.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also ecstatic and amazed that you have such a capacity for honest self-examination.  It&#8217;s probably the biggest thing that draws me to your blog.</p>
<p>Do not ever be afraid to ask, to question, to examine, to alter the premise.  We, your friends, are here to support your personal journey to self-knowledge, wherever that may lead.</p>
<p>Kisses to you</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Holmes</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1940</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandi,

I do not have a whitty reply, only a wish for you for good shoes for your journey, a fresh supply of water and sustenance, and good friends at you side. 

I would suggest doing as one earlier did, seek solitude. Something I try to do at least once a year is get into the mountains (something we have here in CO and not in the south I might add) and be as alone as you can. Do it for several days. Fast if you can, pray a lot, and let your mind go where it is obviously headed. 

In the end you will find what you are seeking, or you will crash and burn. Either way Mandi Kaye will be stronger, and that strength comes from God, and him alone. 

You are a contemplative Mandi, that is why I am drawn here a lot. You mull over thoughts and ideas until they make sense to you. Sometimes the bible does not make sense. I will pray for wisdom for you as you seek him out. May God supply the wisdom and sustenance you need to work through what you are desiring right now. 

O.K., that was a little more than a &quot;whitty reply&quot; but I am happy for you, concerned for you, and really praying for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandi,</p>
<p>I do not have a whitty reply, only a wish for you for good shoes for your journey, a fresh supply of water and sustenance, and good friends at you side. </p>
<p>I would suggest doing as one earlier did, seek solitude. Something I try to do at least once a year is get into the mountains (something we have here in CO and not in the south I might add) and be as alone as you can. Do it for several days. Fast if you can, pray a lot, and let your mind go where it is obviously headed. </p>
<p>In the end you will find what you are seeking, or you will crash and burn. Either way Mandi Kaye will be stronger, and that strength comes from God, and him alone. </p>
<p>You are a contemplative Mandi, that is why I am drawn here a lot. You mull over thoughts and ideas until they make sense to you. Sometimes the bible does not make sense. I will pray for wisdom for you as you seek him out. May God supply the wisdom and sustenance you need to work through what you are desiring right now. </p>
<p>O.K., that was a little more than a &#8220;whitty reply&#8221; but I am happy for you, concerned for you, and really praying for you.</p>
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		<title>By: TQL</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1936</link>
		<dc:creator>TQL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I waited to chime in on your immigration debate, I have been reading you for a long time.

Thank you for sharing this incredibly intimate post.  In your other posts on Christianity, while they have been very insightful, they didn&#039;t reveal as much about you and your faith journey as this one.

I&#039;ve been through quite a bit in finally identifying myself as a Christian AND in earnestly seeking a relationship with Him.  It made me feel vulnerable and questioning, just as you are.  It shattered my intellectual understanding of what it meant to be a Christian - and continues to do so.

Our lives as Christians are truly journeys, full of wonder, and joy, and doubt, and questioning.  They key is to embrace the questioning and find some comfort standing in the tension that it creates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I waited to chime in on your immigration debate, I have been reading you for a long time.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing this incredibly intimate post.  In your other posts on Christianity, while they have been very insightful, they didn&#8217;t reveal as much about you and your faith journey as this one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been through quite a bit in finally identifying myself as a Christian AND in earnestly seeking a relationship with Him.  It made me feel vulnerable and questioning, just as you are.  It shattered my intellectual understanding of what it meant to be a Christian &#8211; and continues to do so.</p>
<p>Our lives as Christians are truly journeys, full of wonder, and joy, and doubt, and questioning.  They key is to embrace the questioning and find some comfort standing in the tension that it creates.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanH</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1933</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, you have good friends here.  Every reply is full of care, concern, and honesty.  I personally understand this comment: 

&quot;I don’t know what it is that you’re struggling with. I would guess that it might be a sense that you are missing out on something. Or maybe you have done something, or are contemplating doing something, that you know you shouldn’t, but you’re just tired of resisting it.&quot;

I was at a similar point possibly where you are now.  Will you continue this path you are/or will be on?  Perhaps/Probably.  There will be consequences but the Lord will never leave nor forsake you regardless.  You may not want to hear that but God is relational and He&#039;ll never leave you because He does love you.

Often times I returned to the Lord in simple obedience, I didn&#039;t like the results of my disobedience.  I didn&#039;t return out of love, but I have had the mountains and valleys of this love relationship.  The more I know Him the more I grow to love Him.  But then sometimes life crashes in on me and that love has been ignored as other things caused me to doubt His love, doubting He really desired my best.  You are on a journey and I do pray the best for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, you have good friends here.  Every reply is full of care, concern, and honesty.  I personally understand this comment: </p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know what it is that you’re struggling with. I would guess that it might be a sense that you are missing out on something. Or maybe you have done something, or are contemplating doing something, that you know you shouldn’t, but you’re just tired of resisting it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was at a similar point possibly where you are now.  Will you continue this path you are/or will be on?  Perhaps/Probably.  There will be consequences but the Lord will never leave nor forsake you regardless.  You may not want to hear that but God is relational and He&#8217;ll never leave you because He does love you.</p>
<p>Often times I returned to the Lord in simple obedience, I didn&#8217;t like the results of my disobedience.  I didn&#8217;t return out of love, but I have had the mountains and valleys of this love relationship.  The more I know Him the more I grow to love Him.  But then sometimes life crashes in on me and that love has been ignored as other things caused me to doubt His love, doubting He really desired my best.  You are on a journey and I do pray the best for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1932</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it you think you&#039;re &#039;supposed&#039; to do?    I guess I grew up going along, mostly, with what was expected of me, but much of that was my parents&#039; expectations rather than God&#039;s as such (they were/are believers so it wasn&#039;t too different, I guess).  I did have a few crisis points when I wasn&#039;t sure whether I really did want to follow a path God seemed to be leading me... but in the end I always went along with him.  i don&#039;t know that I ever felt as if I &#039;fell in love&#039; with him, either.  That&#039;s a useful analogy for some, particularly those who have a dramatic conversion, but I grew up thinking of God more like I thought of my dad - and that&#039;s a perfectly valid scriptural picture.   

These days I see life as a journey, with me sometimes struggling through the weeds on the path, or veering off to pick flowers like Little Red Riding Hood, but God&#039;s always there, holding out his hand, waiting to help me along through the rough ground.  He doesn&#039;t ask the impossible of me, and when I fail (as happens often) he forgives me, again and again.  

Relationship is what matters, but (to me) relationship with God isn&#039;t at all the same as a human relationship.  There&#039;s no physical aspect, of course, but there&#039;s a much deeper &#039;knowing&#039; inside out, and of course his perfect love and forgiveness.

I&#039;m rambling... probably not making any sense, but wanted to say something.  I do feel for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it you think you&#8217;re &#8217;supposed&#8217; to do?    I guess I grew up going along, mostly, with what was expected of me, but much of that was my parents&#8217; expectations rather than God&#8217;s as such (they were/are believers so it wasn&#8217;t too different, I guess).  I did have a few crisis points when I wasn&#8217;t sure whether I really did want to follow a path God seemed to be leading me&#8230; but in the end I always went along with him.  i don&#8217;t know that I ever felt as if I &#8216;fell in love&#8217; with him, either.  That&#8217;s a useful analogy for some, particularly those who have a dramatic conversion, but I grew up thinking of God more like I thought of my dad &#8211; and that&#8217;s a perfectly valid scriptural picture.   </p>
<p>These days I see life as a journey, with me sometimes struggling through the weeds on the path, or veering off to pick flowers like Little Red Riding Hood, but God&#8217;s always there, holding out his hand, waiting to help me along through the rough ground.  He doesn&#8217;t ask the impossible of me, and when I fail (as happens often) he forgives me, again and again.  </p>
<p>Relationship is what matters, but (to me) relationship with God isn&#8217;t at all the same as a human relationship.  There&#8217;s no physical aspect, of course, but there&#8217;s a much deeper &#8216;knowing&#8217; inside out, and of course his perfect love and forgiveness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rambling&#8230; probably not making any sense, but wanted to say something.  I do feel for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Grey</title>
		<link>http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/06/21/all-for-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amanda,
   I can really relate to what you are saying. I was raised in a Catholic church where the emphasis was on works, not relationship.

   To add to that, I am an almost completely analytical/left-brained thinker. Whilst I take solice in the notion that love is not a feeling, but &#039;a commitment of the will to the true good of the other.&#039;, I still struggle with whether i have a good or close relationship with God.

    One thing I find is that the more philosophical/left-brained reading and research I do, the less close I feel to God. I don&#039;t think God made me, or anyone, to ignore the creative, emotional, right brain part of us. When I don&#039;t have the balance of both, my spiritual life suffers.

     Anyways, I don&#039;t know whether this strictly relates to you, but our symptoms seem similar. 

One thing to be careful of tho...if the Christian God exists, then he exists independent of our feelings. It may be that you, or Tasha or even I feel completely separated and apart from God, but that doesn&#039;t mean He doesn&#039;t exist.

If my wife and I ended up growing apart and she left me, I wouldn&#039;t feel like I had a relationship with her, but she would still exist.

On the flip side, knowing God is more than an intellectual exercise. I could explain to you in great detail how my wife&#039;s hugs feel, but until you met her and were hugged by her, you wouldn&#039;t really &#039;know&#039; what they felt like.

Anyways, I&#039;ve rambled too long. Peace be with you on your journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amanda,<br />
   I can really relate to what you are saying. I was raised in a Catholic church where the emphasis was on works, not relationship.</p>
<p>   To add to that, I am an almost completely analytical/left-brained thinker. Whilst I take solice in the notion that love is not a feeling, but &#8216;a commitment of the will to the true good of the other.&#8217;, I still struggle with whether i have a good or close relationship with God.</p>
<p>    One thing I find is that the more philosophical/left-brained reading and research I do, the less close I feel to God. I don&#8217;t think God made me, or anyone, to ignore the creative, emotional, right brain part of us. When I don&#8217;t have the balance of both, my spiritual life suffers.</p>
<p>     Anyways, I don&#8217;t know whether this strictly relates to you, but our symptoms seem similar. </p>
<p>One thing to be careful of tho&#8230;if the Christian God exists, then he exists independent of our feelings. It may be that you, or Tasha or even I feel completely separated and apart from God, but that doesn&#8217;t mean He doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>If my wife and I ended up growing apart and she left me, I wouldn&#8217;t feel like I had a relationship with her, but she would still exist.</p>
<p>On the flip side, knowing God is more than an intellectual exercise. I could explain to you in great detail how my wife&#8217;s hugs feel, but until you met her and were hugged by her, you wouldn&#8217;t really &#8216;know&#8217; what they felt like.</p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;ve rambled too long. Peace be with you on your journey.</p>
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