Comments on: Ray Comfort to Prove God http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/ All Mandi Kaye, all the time Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:40:18 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Lifewish http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1685 Lifewish Mon, 21 May 2007 21:22:38 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/#comment-1685 <i>Once you realize that there is no such thing as “proof beyond all doubt,” that proof is “proof beyond reasonable doubt,” then virtually every field of science has for two generations been amassing more than enough evidence to prove Creator God is real.</i> Can't believe I missed this comment first time round... Mark, you're right that "proof beyond all doubt" is not a useful standard. However, "proof beyond reasonable doubt" is worse - it just throws a bit of subjectivity (what constitutes "reasonable"?) into the mix. Thus, the standard used in science is that of falsifiability. We can't prove that scientific models are true - but we can prove that they're false. Every time we test a model for falsehood and it survives, its credibility rises. By contrast, God is completely unfalsifiable - He avoids all exposure to concrete evidence. I'm happy to be proven wrong here. If you can come up with a predictive model of any part of the universe that includes God, I'll gladly change my stance. Please note that predictions must be non-obvious, concrete and testable. Once you realize that there is no such thing as “proof beyond all doubt,” that proof is “proof beyond reasonable doubt,” then virtually every field of science has for two generations been amassing more than enough evidence to prove Creator God is real.

Can’t believe I missed this comment first time round…

Mark, you’re right that “proof beyond all doubt” is not a useful standard. However, “proof beyond reasonable doubt” is worse – it just throws a bit of subjectivity (what constitutes “reasonable”?) into the mix.

Thus, the standard used in science is that of falsifiability. We can’t prove that scientific models are true – but we can prove that they’re false. Every time we test a model for falsehood and it survives, its credibility rises. By contrast, God is completely unfalsifiable – He avoids all exposure to concrete evidence.

I’m happy to be proven wrong here. If you can come up with a predictive model of any part of the universe that includes God, I’ll gladly change my stance. Please note that predictions must be non-obvious, concrete and testable.

]]> By: Gzus Lover http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1683 Gzus Lover Mon, 21 May 2007 20:52:31 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/#comment-1683 You forgot one thing: Everyone's hands are different! And, I'm sorry, but that is the stupidest Christian insult I have ever heard. Why would you even take a chance on going to hell, etc., IF there WAS a savior, and IF there was any kind of alternative to going to hell. You may not think hell is such a big deal, but it is described as a "Lake Of Fire" and "Pain beyond understanding." So why even take the chance? I know every Christian has wondered about the existence of God sometime or another, so you MUST have also wondered about the reality of God and that he may be real sometime in your life. You forgot one thing: Everyone’s hands are different! And, I’m sorry, but that is the stupidest Christian insult I have ever heard.
Why would you even take a chance on going to hell, etc., IF there WAS a savior, and IF there was any kind of alternative to going to hell. You may not think hell is such a big deal, but it is described as a “Lake Of Fire” and “Pain beyond understanding.” So why even take the chance?
I know every Christian has wondered about the existence of God sometime or another, so you MUST have also wondered about the reality of God and that he may be real sometime in your life.

]]> By: ontheedgeofmyseat http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1582 ontheedgeofmyseat Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:22:13 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/#comment-1582 Here's my thing... If there is a Creator God, then why wouldn't He have been able to make a banana to fit the human hand? However, that's not enough to convince any athiest, etc. to turn toward God. It's like trying to use scripture to witness to someone who doesn't believe in the infallibility of the Word of God. Even Paul, on Mars Hill in Rome, used Roman theology to witness there, not Hebrew theology. That's where I think his problem is. Here’s my thing… If there is a Creator God, then why wouldn’t He have been able to make a banana to fit the human hand? However, that’s not enough to convince any athiest, etc. to turn toward God. It’s like trying to use scripture to witness to someone who doesn’t believe in the infallibility of the Word of God. Even Paul, on Mars Hill in Rome, used Roman theology to witness there, not Hebrew theology. That’s where I think his problem is.

]]> By: Amanda http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1574 Amanda Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:55:19 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/#comment-1574 I'm not even sure the Christians will...judging from our responses, at least. I’m not even sure the Christians will…judging from our responses, at least.

]]> By: Matt http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1563 Matt Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:21:34 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/#comment-1563 "In all honesty, I think this is going to end up as one more thing that atheists can use to laugh at theists." I agree. I have a feeling most atheists won't be taking this very seriously. “In all honesty, I think this is going to end up as one more thing that atheists can use to laugh at theists.” I agree. I have a feeling most atheists won’t be taking this very seriously.

]]> By: Mark Kelly http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1562 Mark Kelly Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:56:25 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/27/ray-comfort-to-prove-god/#comment-1562 It will be interesting, but Ray is not wrong about proving God is real. Once you realize that there is no such thing as "proof beyond all doubt," that proof is "proof beyond reasonable doubt," then virtually every field of science has for two generations been amassing more than enough evidence to prove Creator God is real. The "scientists" who still deny it are living in the 19th century. It will be interesting, but Ray is not wrong about proving God is real. Once you realize that there is no such thing as “proof beyond all doubt,” that proof is “proof beyond reasonable doubt,” then virtually every field of science has for two generations been amassing more than enough evidence to prove Creator God is real.

The “scientists” who still deny it are living in the 19th century.

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