Comments on: Hispanic Services and Illegal Aliens http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/ Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:55:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Terabanitoss http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-1628 Terabanitoss Wed, 09 May 2007 15:04:24 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/#comment-1628 Hi You are The Best!!! G'night Hi
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]]> By: D. Ox http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-1493 D. Ox Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:47:37 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/#comment-1493 I certainly agree that we as Christians have a duty to minister to the spiritual and material needs of illegal immigrants--but we also have a duty to minister to their moral needs. The truth includes observance of legal justice. Yes, the duty of charity trumps all the dictates of justice, but preaching the truth means preaching the whole truth about God and man...which includes the little bit about Caesar's laws having their due place. St. Augustine is merely expanding upon the clear teaching of rendering unto Caesar what is his. Teaching or allowing it to be thought that the laws of the land are irrelevent, and that people are free to follow their own law, is unjust AND uncharitable. Even silence on such things teaches and encourages sin and disruption of civil society, the foundation of all other goods, spiritual and temporal. I understand the charitable impulse, and the Gospel command, but it doesn't apply as simply as some might think. Charity takes many forms, real love includes even CORRECTION. I don't know what to say about ministers who pick and choose out of the Gospels what suits their political ideology as trumping everything else, ignoring 2000 years of theological reflection, and then decrying political ideology. I certainly agree that we as Christians have a duty to minister to the spiritual and material needs of illegal immigrants–but we also have a duty to minister to their moral needs. The truth includes observance of legal justice. Yes, the duty of charity trumps all the dictates of justice, but preaching the truth means preaching the whole truth about God and man…which includes the little bit about Caesar’s laws having their due place. St. Augustine is merely expanding upon the clear teaching of rendering unto Caesar what is his. Teaching or allowing it to be thought that the laws of the land are irrelevent, and that people are free to follow their own law, is unjust AND uncharitable. Even silence on such things teaches and encourages sin and disruption of civil society, the foundation of all other goods, spiritual and temporal. I understand the charitable impulse, and the Gospel command, but it doesn’t apply as simply as some might think. Charity takes many forms, real love includes even CORRECTION. I don’t know what to say about ministers who pick and choose out of the Gospels what suits their political ideology as trumping everything else, ignoring 2000 years of theological reflection, and then decrying political ideology.

]]> By: bernie http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-1492 bernie Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:09:51 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/#comment-1492 The impotant thing is not to pray quietly and dispassionately. If you pray from you heart and stomp your feet and sing with all your might, you will do your God proud. The impotant thing is not to pray quietly and dispassionately. If you pray from you heart and stomp your feet and sing with all your might, you will do your God proud.

]]> By: Maureen http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-1491 Maureen Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:30:13 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/#comment-1491 I think the church actually has a duty to minister to these people. Civil benefits is one thing; I don't endorse giving them things if they are here illegally. But the church is supposed to be a sanctuary and provide spiritual comfort to outcasts. There is a Catholic parish in St. Louis called Our Lady of Guadalupe, which holds some Masses in Spanish. Many people who now flock to those Masses are English speakers, but they love the service that includes some clapping and hymns that are different. People from all over the city and county go to that church because of it. I think the church actually has a duty to minister to these people. Civil benefits is one thing; I don’t endorse giving them things if they are here illegally. But the church is supposed to be a sanctuary and provide spiritual comfort to outcasts.

There is a Catholic parish in St. Louis called Our Lady of Guadalupe, which holds some Masses in Spanish. Many people who now flock to those Masses are English speakers, but they love the service that includes some clapping and hymns that are different. People from all over the city and county go to that church because of it.

]]> By: David http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-1489 David Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:54:17 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/#comment-1489 I'm all for ministering to all groups of folks, including illegal aliens. If they actually are converted and do seek to worship, then they WILL do what's right and go home, since their presence is in contradiction to the law, and NT scriptures are clear: where the law does not seek to prevent the spread of the gospel, true worship (which includes treating other folks right, if James is to be believed), then the Christian will obey the law, whether that's the speed limit... or immigration laws. Of course, if they're not coming to truly <i>worship</i> but just to get a feel-good buzz, then that's where a deeper ministry can kick in: teaching them to live their lives according to NT principles. And so, if they do, there'd soon BE no services for illegal aliens, as they leave and go get in line behind the others who are waiting legally to enter the country... *heh* I’m all for ministering to all groups of folks, including illegal aliens. If they actually are converted and do seek to worship, then they WILL do what’s right and go home, since their presence is in contradiction to the law, and NT scriptures are clear: where the law does not seek to prevent the spread of the gospel, true worship (which includes treating other folks right, if James is to be believed), then the Christian will obey the law, whether that’s the speed limit… or immigration laws.

Of course, if they’re not coming to truly worship but just to get a feel-good buzz, then that’s where a deeper ministry can kick in: teaching them to live their lives according to NT principles.

And so, if they do, there’d soon BE no services for illegal aliens, as they leave and go get in line behind the others who are waiting legally to enter the country…

*heh*

]]> By: ontheedgeofmyseat http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-1488 ontheedgeofmyseat Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:55:02 +0000 http://www.mandikaye.com/2007/04/12/hispanic-services-and-illegal-aliens/#comment-1488 Wow, very good post. A good reminder that Jesus' standard and the status quo are often uncomfortably different. Wow, very good post. A good reminder that Jesus’ standard and the status quo are often uncomfortably different.

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