I’m beginning to realize more and more that there is a lack of common sense among the masses.
When I first read this post, I found myself thinking, “Duh. That’s common sense.” Of course an atheist would disagree with a theist and find a way to tell them so in a conversation. Of course an atheist already has basic presuppositions going into a conversation that are different than mine.
Then I realized that not everyone has common sense. That’s why Henry saw the need and wrote the post.
I have noticed from time to time that Christians become very angry with atheists or other skeptics in debate simply for being and saying who they are.
Go read it.
I have found that common sense is not cmmon and that it rarely makes sense.
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What do you expect Christians to do? Give a hug or kiss to one who will blaspheme God?
“15and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;”
I have not heard of an atheist who have taken out the welcome carpet for the the Christian.
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I have not heard of an atheist who have taken out the welcome carpet for the the Christian.
First of all, blanket statements like this don’t do anyone any good.
Second, are you actually saying that as a Christian you shouldn’t roll out the welcome carpet for an atheist because they haven’t welcomed you first?
You’ve got to be kidding me.
I’m not talking about intimate fellowship here. I’m talking about common decency. If all you’re ever going to be to people who don’t believe in Christ is nasty and condemning, how can you ever hope to show someone a reflection of Christ?
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I have not heard of an atheist who have taken out the welcome carpet for the the Christian.
Hey Weapon, this was probably the wrong blog to make a statement like that on.
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First of all, blanket statements like this don’t do anyone any good.
Yes it does. It serves to prove your hypocrisy.
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Second, are you actually saying that as a Christian you shouldn’t roll out the welcome carpet for an atheist because they haven’t welcomed you first?
Not true. I am just stating a fact.
Nice try
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You’ve got to be kidding me.
No I am not. God is not kidding you neither.
“”15and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;”
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It serves to prove your hypocrisy.
What hypocrisy?
Not true. I am just stating a fact.
That was no fact. I’m pretty sure that me and this blog are proof of that. There are now several atheist/agnostic types who, while still completely disagreeing with me, exchange mutual respect with me.
Honestly, WOMI, do you really see yourself as a reflection of Christ with your bitter spirit and words of hatred? I’ll admit, you haven’t said anything too terrible here, but I’ve seen some stuff you’ve said other places. How is that God-honoring? I don’t do the best job of reflecting Christ myself, but I do know that God is no respector of persons and that His greatest commandments are to love God and love people. It’s the second one where a lot of Christians (myself included) need a lot of work.
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singing to myself:
“Any they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love, yes they’ll know we are Christian’s by our love”
Expect for when commenting on blogs.
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That was no fact. I’m pretty sure that me and this blog are proof of that. There are now several atheist/agnostic types who, while still completely disagreeing with me, exchange mutual respect with me.
That’s because you scratch their backs. From what I have read of you, it seems to me that you do more agreeing with them than you do reproving their error. I do not know what type of Christianity you are propagatin but it certainly is not found in the Bible.
Ephesians 5:11
11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light
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Honestly, WOMI, do you really see yourself as a reflection of Christ with your bitter spirit and words of hatred? I’ll admit, you haven’t said anything too terrible here, but I’ve seen some stuff you’ve said other places. How is that God-honoring?
What have I said that has reflected a bitter spirit.
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I don’t do the best job of reflecting Christ myself, but I do know that God is no respector of persons and that His greatest commandments are to love God and love people. It’s the second one where a lot of Christians (myself included) need a lot of work.
Amanda, you have a perverted view of what love is.
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Amanda, you have a perverted view of what love is.
Then why don’t you enlighten me.
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Your version of love is holding hands with the godless and singing, “Kumbaya.”
The Bible’s version of love is reproving them of the error of their way.
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How is beating them over the head with reproof love? The nonbelievers who are in my life know where I stand. They know what I disagree with them on and they know why. That’s enough. To continually beat that into them is to try and force feed a philosphy into them that will only serve to push them further away.
You tell them the truth, and then you live by example. Not judging, not condemning (see John 12:46-48 and 1 Corinthians 5:12-13a).
THAT is love.
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What have I said that has reflected a bitter spirit.
As I said, you haven’t said anything too terrible here, but what about your comments here?
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I am sorry to break it to you Amanda, but the Scriptures you presented does not teach on what your position with the ungodly should be. You would be hard pressed to prove that from the immediate context.
Ephesians 5 (among a host of other Scriptures) teach you how your relationship with the ungodly should be. And as much as you try to ignore it, it clearly teaches that you are to reprove them.
It seems to me that you are more interested in making Christianity socially acceptable to people who will have nothing to do with God who blaspheme him and his name, then you are in telling them the truth.
The Bible takes it for granted that the world will hate us:
Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.— I John 3:13
Apparently you find this hard to accept this truth.
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Amanda, I went to your link.
That is hardly a spirit of bitterness as indicated by my “ha” interjections.
It is clealy a bit of ironic jest. You can accuse me of being insensitive if you like. But I find it quite hypocritical that you should judge me for my jest and have nothing to say about the sexual comments BD mentions (ie masturbating).
The way I see it is that if people are willing to mock Christianity, then they should be able to not be so sensitive when Atheism is mocked.
BTW: There are plenty of people who kill their animals when they get so sick.
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The way I see it is that if people are willing to mock Christianity, then they should be able to not be so sensitive when Atheism is mocked.
On that note, I need a hand. I’ve been hunting for a while for cartoons satirising atheism (was thinking of doing a display), and have found a grand total of one.
As an atheist, I’m feeling kinda left out here – all the other religious stances have hundreds of satirical cartoons going, dammit. Can anyone point some atheism-related ones out to me?
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Well, the best I can do is tell you a joke.
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If it’s a funny joke then do tell (unless it involves obscenity or onstage violence, in which case it’s prob. not suitable for Amanda’s blog).
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The story is told of an atheist going through a forest admiring the beauty of nature that was caused by a cosmic accident. As he was enjoyng the scenery he heard a ruffle in the bushes. As he was looking towards that direction, a bear came out, spotted the atheist, and began to pursue him upon which the man ran for his life.
The bear started to catch up to him no matter how hard the man tried to run. Eventually the man triped and fell to the ground. He quickly turned around to pull himself up when he saw the bear over him ready to strike him with his paw. In fear of death, the atheist cried, “Oh my God, help,”
Suddenly, the bear frozed in his striking position and all of nautre around him. Then a bright light appeared on the scene from which a voice came saying:
“After all these year of your flagrant denial of me and teaching others that everything is a result of some cosmic accident you dare to invoke my name? How can I be sure that you would be a faithful Christian?”
The atheist replied:
“Indeed I would feel myself to be the greatest hypocrite if at the brink of death I should suddenly convert to Christianity. But if you would, you can make the bear a Christian.”
The Lord replied:
“Very well then.”
Upon so, the light disappeared and nature went back to its duties. The bear slowly retracted from his attacking posture and knelt on his knees. The bear looking up to heaven, clasped his hands together and said:
“Thank you Lord for the wonderful meal you have provided before me. Please bless it to my body.”
Well, I guess we know what happened next.
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Heh, good one
Thanks for the aid.
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he-he
Anytime.
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Amanda, my carpet is rolled out for you, and you are welcome at my place anytime.
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There you go Amanda, you can add a homosexual to your list of friends.
Any converts yet?
Did not think so.
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WOMI,
If you have a point, make it. Here’s mine.
It’s jerks like you, with nothing better to do than spread hate and fear, that reinforce the notion that Christians are idiots and fascists. Millions of people all over the world are dying of starvation, disease, and war, and your obsession is my bedroom.
Spewing the garbage fed to you by your little would-be-dictators while all the time pretending to honor your own holy man who would have had none of it makes you a two-faced, lying, ignorant, hypocrite.
You are the money changer in the temple, the Pharisee that your prophet found disgusting and abhorrent. Your own holy book says that Jesus threw your kind out on their collective asses.
You are the overtoothed televangelist Pharisee in the front row of the temple, declaring your humility loudly for all to hear and be impressed.
“And he spake this parable unto certain which truste in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying God be merciful unto me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.” – Luke 18:9-14
This story is all about you, WOMI. You are the Pharisee, singing your own praises.
Verily, I say unto your stupid butt, Amanda will go down unto her house justified, rather than your self-aggrandizing, self-righteous ass.
(Sorry, Amanda.)
Amanda, I hope you will also count me among your blogoverse buddies.
And for the record, WOMI, neither my Love Janie, nor myself, have ANY sexual preference, one way or the other.
We’re much more interested in a person’s inside, than their reproductive organs. Funny that you should be so obsessed with such things.
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Very nice Kate. Good to see you’re still around kicking ass. I haven’t seen that since the DT and JAD days at UDoJ.
Speaking of, you need to stop by and say hi sometime. I always hear from Janie, and sometimes from The Boy, but you never show up. That needs to change asap.
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Thanks, Matt. I’ve been keeping a low profile, but nobody messes with my girl.
I’ve had intermittant problems with my blogger account since I switched to the beta, too, so that’s some of it.
Sometimes I can’t log in, even.
I’ll stop by and say hi, though, just for you.
Kisses
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There you go Amanda, you can add a homosexual to your list of friends.
Any converts yet?
Did not think so.
Oh no! Amanda, you’ve befriended a homosexual? How terrible that you would associate yourself with someone with such a sinful lifestyle! Why, next thing you know, you might be allowing prostitutes into your presence, or praising the actions of the hated Samaritans! Don’t you see how unchristian that is?
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Wow, WoMI, you truly are a piece of work. I don’t see any more converts to your angry, friendless perversion of Christianity than to Amanda’s, but I can tell you which one is more likely to win them. I’d say something about glass houses, but there’s a more appropriate “stone-throwing” comment: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her” (John 8:7).
Some Christians unfortunately spend too much of their time picking their beliefs out of the Bible as though everything from Genesis to Revelation were of equal esteem. Last I checked, the word was not “Bible-ian” but “Christ-ian.” Pay a little more attention to how Christ preached and what he said than your vague interpretations of vaguer statements from Genesis, WoMI. Maybe you’ll see just who the ‘true Christian’ is ’round here.
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As far as converts…I can’t convert anyone. And neither can you WOMI. As much as you’d like to think you have the power to do so, you just can’t.
I find it interesting that how zero fruit your method of evangelization produces friends who have nothing to do with God but no Christians.
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It’s jerks like you, with nothing better to do than spread hate and fear, that reinforce the notion that Christians are idiots and fascists. Millions of people all over the world are dying of starvation, disease, and war, and your obsession is my bedroom.
Yep, and ironically they are all Christian institutions not godless organizations.
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You are the money changer in the temple, the Pharisee that your prophet found disgusting and abhorrent. Your own holy book says that Jesus threw your kind out on their collective asses.
Judging from your comment, I doubt you ever read the Bible through let alone the passage to which you quote. Whatever happen to all this context that you were going to impress me with?
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We’re much more interested in a person’s inside, than their reproductive organs. Funny that you should be so obsessed with such things.
Ha! If I were obsessed, I certainly would be a homosexual like you.
No thanks. You can have your aids-infested lifestyle.
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Wow, WoMI, you truly are a piece of work. I don’t see any more converts to your angry, friendless perversion of Christianity than to Amanda’s, but I can tell you which one is more likely to win them. I’d say something about glass houses, but there’s a more appropriate “stone-throwing” comment: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her”
Well, obviously you have not been to my church.
You see, there are many people that are willing to repent of their sinful lifestyle and turn to Christ.
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Some Christians unfortunately spend too much of their time picking their beliefs out of the Bible as though everything from Genesis to Revelation were of equal esteem. Last I checked, the word was not “Bible-ian” but “Christ-ian.” Pay a little more attention to how Christ preached and what he said than your vague interpretations of vaguer statements from Genesis, WoMI. Maybe you’ll see just who the ‘true Christian’ is ’round here.
It is certain that you did not get that philosophy from the Bible. Perhaps you got it from the “Gay Bible.”
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We have unilaterally declared a cease fire until after the holidays out of respect for our dear friend Amanda and her recent loss.
Do not mistake our silence for any sort of vindication.
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